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Michael A. Ball

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:13 am
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I just met Brinx, an intact male PBT, about one year old. He was a
stray that was so frightened, he had to be trapped.

I spent about 90 minutes with him, and he is already beginning to look
around and walk about, but, as one might expect, Brinx is still very
afraid. When I returned him to his cage, he immediately went to the most
distant point.

About 45 minutes later, I visited him again, and again he fled to the
most distant point. I invaded his space, for some good-bye petting,
which he tolerated.

Brinx is obviously afraid, and he seems more depressed than fearful.,
but he has shown no sign at all of agression. My question is why do some
mistreated dogs withdraw and others become clearly vicious? Granted,
Brinx has teeth and therefore can bite; but he demonstrates that biting
is still not the way he prefers to handle perceived threats.

I and Brinx will have round two today, including a bath. Considering his
youth, brindle coat and small size, he would make a good candidate for
adoption--if I can bring him out of his shell. I'm hopeful. I bet I get
a hug today.



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Kerri & Angus

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 11:13 am
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Michael & Brinx,

Thank you Michael for what you are attempting to do for Brinx.

Please please be aware, as I'm sure you are, even a fearful dog will
only tolerate so much interference before it will lash out.

If you are serious about seeking advice and help, try seeking out
Diane Jessup of LawDogsUSA and you can find her on this site:
http://www.thepitbullplace.com or the alternate site: http://www.pitbullforum.com
(original forum started by someone else).

She may have some helpful tips and suggestions to help you and Brinx
overcome what he's very obviously been through. Good luck and should
you have the opportunity, give Brinx a big hug and kiss from me! I
truly wish him the best of luck!!

Kerri & Angus


On May 11, 11:13 am, Michael A. Ball wrote:
> I just met Brinx, an intact male PBT, about one year old. He was a
> stray that was so frightened, he had to be trapped.
>
> I spent about 90 minutes with him, and he is already beginning to look
> around and walk about, but, as one might expect, Brinx is still very
> afraid. When I returned him to his cage, he immediately went to the most
> distant point.
>
> About 45 minutes later, I visited him again, and again he fled to the
> most distant point. I invaded his space, for some good-bye petting,
> which he tolerated.
>
> Brinx is obviously afraid, and he seems more depressed than fearful.,
> but he has shown no sign at all of agression. My question is why do some
> mistreated dogs withdraw and others become clearly vicious? Granted,
> Brinx has teeth and therefore can bite; but he demonstrates that biting
> is still not the way he prefers to handle perceived threats.
>
> I and Brinx will have round two today, including a bath. Considering his
> youth, brindle coat and small size, he would make a good candidate for
> adoption--if I can bring him out of his shell. I'm hopeful. I bet I get
> a hug today.
>
> ________________________
> Whatever it takes.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 6:31 pm
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:59 pm
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On 11 May 2007 10:05:38 -0700, Kerri & Angus wrote:

>Thank you Michael for what you are attempting to do for Brinx.

Thanks for the resources recommendations. I'll be looking at them later
this evening.

I do expect to be successful with Brinx, but I wish the shelter had
introduced us sooner, because the clock is ticking.



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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri May 11, 2007 9:54 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:48 am
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On Fri, 11 May 2007 11:13:49 -0400, Michael A Ball wrote:
> Brinx is obviously afraid, and he seems more depressed than fearful.,
> but he has shown no sign at all of agression. My question is why do some
> mistreated dogs withdraw and others become clearly vicious?

Why do some people become violent, and others withdraw, under similar
circumstances?

You're never going to get a useful answer, because there is no single
answer.

In this situation, I would slowly work poor Brinx into more and more
human contact. Slowly, steadily, softly. Lots of treats. No
surprises.

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* John Oliver http://www.john-oliver.net/ *
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon May 14, 2007 2:39 pm
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Kerri & Angus

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 7:47 am
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Awww.. Brinx, RIP little man! My heart goes out to you Michael!
Thank you soo much for showing Brinx the only love and understanding
he probably ever knew.

I'm currently working with a very shy, timid, and frightful little Pit
mix named Dora. It's going to be a challenge, but my fear is she'll
never come out and we'll never find a suitable home for her. I fear
also, that my first initial instinct is the correct way to go,
humanely euthanizing her. :(

I'll light a candle for Brinx tonight and say a small prayer. Thank
you again!!!

Kerri & Angus

On May 15, 8:12 am, Michael A. Ball wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:39:39 -0500, "alpha.shanna©"
>
> wrote:
> >...I'm not claiming Brinx doesn't have fear caused by being mistreated,
> >just offering that the option does exist that he was born that way.
> >Best of luck to you and Brinx.
>
> Thank you for an interesting and very uplifting story, It came when most
> needed: Brinx was PTS this morning [Monday morning].
>
> Brinx did quite well on a leash, and outside of his cage. He showed
> interest in other dogs and in people--and hiding places. Once back in
> his cage, he'd go to the most remote point.
>
> I figure he had spent most of his life in a cage, receiving little more
> than food and water. His mistreatment came primarily in the form of what
> was *not* provided to him. More than any other factor, that led to his
> death. I have to believe he is safe and happy now.
>
> I know you're correct: dogs can be born afraid--even powerful, self
> confident breeds. Fortunately, as you've demonstrated, they can be
> guided out of that fearful state. Thanks again.
>
> I once adopted a tiny Sheltie that was afraid [and supposedly a bite
> case]. It took six weeks for Laddie to begin sleeping in the same room
> with me and his Sheltie friend, Angus. Laddie is still quite shy, but no
> less adorable. And he has never, ever shown even the slightest tendency
> to bite.
>
> Today, I'm going to be grooming Tippy, a beautiful [timid]
> shepherd/collie mix. I'm really looking forward to it!
>
> ________________________
> How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment
> before starting to improve the world. - Anne Frank.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 8:12 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sun May 20, 2007 9:45 am
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So sorry to hear Michael. Brinx is safe and happy now along with so many of
our own lost friends.

The decision to PTS is never an easy one no matter what the situation.
Unfortunately for some however, it is the best decision for all concerned.
My thoughts go out to any who have had to make the difficult choice for
their own furry friends or the rescues who land in their laps. It is a
tough and thankless choice and the regrets can be many but hopefully knowing
your own gut instinct is usually never wrong will help you pass the moments
and cherish the good memories you shared
Sandra

"Kerri & Angus" wrote in message

Awww.. Brinx, RIP little man! My heart goes out to you Michael!
Thank you soo much for showing Brinx the only love and understanding
he probably ever knew.

I'm currently working with a very shy, timid, and frightful little Pit
mix named Dora. It's going to be a challenge, but my fear is she'll
never come out and we'll never find a suitable home for her. I fear
also, that my first initial instinct is the correct way to go,
humanely euthanizing her. :(

I'll light a candle for Brinx tonight and say a small prayer. Thank
you again!!!

Kerri & Angus

On May 15, 8:12 am, Michael A. Ball wrote:
> On Mon, 14 May 2007 14:39:39 -0500, "alpha.shanna©"
>
> wrote:
> >...I'm not claiming Brinx doesn't have fear caused by being mistreated,
> >just offering that the option does exist that he was born that way.
> >Best of luck to you and Brinx.
>
> Thank you for an interesting and very uplifting story, It came when most
> needed: Brinx was PTS this morning [Monday morning].
>
> Brinx did quite well on a leash, and outside of his cage. He showed
> interest in other dogs and in people--and hiding places. Once back in
> his cage, he'd go to the most remote point.
>
> I figure he had spent most of his life in a cage, receiving little more
> than food and water. His mistreatment came primarily in the form of what
> was *not* provided to him. More than any other factor, that led to his
> death. I have to believe he is safe and happy now.
>
> I know you're correct: dogs can be born afraid--even powerful, self
> confident breeds. Fortunately, as you've demonstrated, they can be
> guided out of that fearful state. Thanks again.
>
> I once adopted a tiny Sheltie that was afraid [and supposedly a bite
> case]. It took six weeks for Laddie to begin sleeping in the same room
> with me and his Sheltie friend, Angus. Laddie is still quite shy, but no
> less adorable. And he has never, ever shown even the slightest tendency
> to bite.
>
> Today, I'm going to be grooming Tippy, a beautiful [timid]
> shepherd/collie mix. I'm really looking forward to it!
>
> ________________________
> How wonderful it is that nobody need wait a single moment
> before starting to improve the world. - Anne Frank.
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